Anybody else have any leads on Hillers(12b,c or ?) for sale?

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Anybody else have any leads on Hillers(12b,c or ?) for sale?

Postby seneca2e » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:02 am

Gotta be some deals out there somewhere. Anybody know of anything for sale? I know we gotta a couple on here for sale but there should be some more out there.
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Postby Robert West » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:03 pm

Hi, Yes, I have a stack of parts, some new, some not so new. One
12A/C with new annual (See 212W in pics) and enough spares to build another two, plus. New rotors, new tail rotors, engines, huge inventory. Retirement beckons. I'm not really interested in piece meal sale. Whole lot or nothing. Price? £100,000 ovno.
If you are seriously interested I will photograph the lot. All hangared in the UK.
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Postby Robert West » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:28 pm

The other deal that at some stage I will have to face up to, is this web site. Don't worry, it's too important to me to ever let it disappear again. But at some stage (and certainly if I get out of Hiller ownership) I would like to talk to someone about selling the site to another Hiller fan who can guarantee it's continuance. If you pay good money, it's less likely to be 'easy come, easy go'. What views have you got?
Bob.
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Postby seneca2e » Sat Mar 08, 2008 4:05 am

Robert,
So you own flyhiller.org? And only have 3 posts?
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Postby Robert West » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:23 am

Yes,
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Hillers for sale in the UK

Postby 007helicopter » Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:31 pm

I know of 2 Hillers for sale in the UK not listed here, 1 complete and 1 a damaged project re build, if you wish contact me at duncan@hydraquip.co.uk for further details.

Also still considering selling mine, info at www.007helicopter.com

Rgds

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Postby seneca2e » Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:21 pm

Since I'm in the USA (KY) I'm primarily looking for stateside Hillers. Bob how about a little history on the website? It'd be interesting to know how you started it and maintained it. Sounds like it might have been discontinued for awhile from one of posts. Are you also the administrator or do you have someone else do that?
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Postby Robert West » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:50 am

Good morning,
As you have already noted, I do not talk a lot. So, briefly, two or three years ago I imported a Hiller 12 A/C (N212W) from the USA. What a great helicopter. I have a number of employees, one of whom was a Dutch National who had FAA CFI and Commercial qualifications. Additionally he was computer literate. He set up the Fly Hiller web site. It became a source of information and pleasure to me, and I avidly scanned it every day.
He left my employ and took with him the secrets of Web site mastership.
Ultimately the site was pulled because the host had not been paid. I was unaware of this, but was pleased that it an attempt to retain income the hosting Company finally came to me. I was very pleased to resurrect Fly Hiller and appointed a company, local to me in the UK, to manage the site on my behalf. They keep the penis enlarger and viagra e mails off the screen, and generally, I'm sure you would agree, do a good job.
Fly Hiller is still the first web page I scan daily, and sure, I haven't contributed a lot, but I've sure learned a lot, and many of the regular contributers I have a great respect for, and still have a sense of disappointment when there is a day free of comment.
Hope that fills some gaps.
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Postby seneca2e » Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:06 pm

Bob,
First of all thanks for the site! Owner groups are such a plus for any brand. Often knowing more than the manufacturer(when they are even around) it seems especially on older machines. This site and the Brantly site are the only two helicopter owner forums that I've seen that have done much. Surprising there's not a active forum for Bell 47's or Hughes 300's etc but if there is I've not found them. Lots of info on the former but no real forum such as this.

I also check the board a lot and it would be nice to get more participation and members to post their experiences but the value and experience of the Hiller owners and fans on here is sure a welcome read! As a former Enstrom owner I don't know if I'll wind up a Hiller owner yet but have admired the machines for a long time. Looking at the usual players in the piston market-Enstrom, Hiller, Bell, Brantly, and Hughes for my next machine. I guess parts availability is my biggest concern with the Hiller and the sheer age of the airframe.
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Postby adam32 » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:41 pm

seneca2e wrote:Bob,
First of all thanks for the site! Owner groups are such a plus for any brand. Often knowing more than the manufacturer(when they are even around) it seems especially on older machines. This site and the Brantly site are the only two helicopter owner forums that I've seen that have done much. Surprising there's not a active forum for Bell 47's or Hughes 300's etc but if there is I've not found them. Lots of info on the former but no real forum such as this.

I also check the board a lot and it would be nice to get more participation and members to post their experiences but the value and experience of the Hiller owners and fans on here is sure a welcome read! As a former Enstrom owner I don't know if I'll wind up a Hiller owner yet but have admired the machines for a long time. Looking at the usual players in the piston market-Enstrom, Hiller, Bell, Brantly, and Hughes for my next machine. I guess parts availability is my biggest concern with the Hiller and the sheer age of the airframe.


Check out United Helicopter in Florida. They have zero-timed Hiller 12b/c's for sale. Outfitted ready to do, about 100k...

Them, Fort Wolters, and Franklin all have parts for these old timers. I was looking at Bell 47's, but they are even harder to find parts for, and more expensive...
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Postby adam32 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:27 am

Rod,

Have you heard anything about United? Everyone says don't buy from private people east of Texas, but United is an actual company...

And do you still have yours for sale? I never received your fax with the time sheet...
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Postby Plumberpilot » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:58 pm

Bob
Thanks for the info on the history of the site and thanks for the site. I also review the posts often and have learned much. These Hillers are really well built and I must say I feel more comfortable flying my D than the TH55s I used to own. I can just get her going in cruise flight and reduce RPM to the lower green and it feels like nothing is under any strain. I have complained about performance but I think that's as much (maybe more) me as the Helicopter. I too would like to see more posts, I think more people would post if they were encouraged to write even if they have no experience but only have questions. There are lots of people here that almost never post for some reason and they are subjected to my hollow comments, I'd love to hear more from others.

Thanks again
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Postby adam32 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:56 am

Rotorhead,

I'm looking at a 12C Turbo right now, if that doesn't work out I know of a 47D-1 for sale, and if that one didn't work out, then I was going to go with one from United...
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Postby Rod Baker » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:45 am

Ok after reading the posts, here are my thoughts....and I have been in this for awhile....and know alot of people around and that have past that worked for hiller. As for the c turbo, careful there ...you need someone who understads the paperwork,believe me hiller is also watching the ads , and if they didnt approve it , it will never be legal. They will red stamp it with the faa and you will never get it airworthy. Another point, what is your price range, experience, knowledge? If you are underfunded from the start, you may find you have a very expensive conversation peice. There are a few very nice hiller c models out there and some d1 but you need someone to look at the paperwork. I know of some very good folks who would steer you in the right direction and for a fee will do a pre buy. Pre buys are not a warranty that somthing wont break but you will undersand what you are buying. last point, if you go cheap, would you put your child or mother in it?
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Postby Plumberpilot » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:28 pm

I've got a "-11" Rotor head that came from Washington State that turns out to be nothing but a boat anchor. I'll wait to name the offending party until I'm absolutely sure he's not going to make it right, but my point is that it really doesn't matter where the deal is made you've got to have the experience to protect yourself, and that experience can be bought.

On a side note don't hire someone and then try to second guess their judgment, hire them to help you and then let them do their job "and help you." I've been tempted too many times to jump...and jumped too many times sad to say into something that was not good. I've owned 5 helicopters over the years and had to buy spares for all of them and my experience is buyer beware. However once you find good people they always deal with other good people and that's the direction you'll want to go.

This business breeds dishonesty in some people because with the stroke of a pen they can create value where none exists. Who's to know that blade is run out, heck it looks brand new. This is why it's up to all of us to be unbending when it comes to serviceability of components, etc., and if you deal with someone who will bend a little something might just break.

Oh well didn't mean to rant but that's the way I feel.

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